Episode 112
Challenges Faced by Afghan Women Today
In this conversation, Daisy Khan shares her journey as an activist for Muslim women's rights, discussing the importance of writing one's own narrative, the impact of 9/11 on her activism, and the challenges faced by Afghan women under Taliban rule. She explains the true meaning of Sharia law, addresses misconceptions about Muslim women's rights, and emphasizes the need for interfaith collaboration to promote peace. Khan also reflects on her legacy and aspirations for the future of women's rights in Islam.
Transcript
It's so good to have you on today, Dr. Khan. How you doing?
Daisy Khan (:Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here with you.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:I'm excited to have this conversation with you. Looking forward to having a riveting conversation with you this
Daisy Khan (:Yes, hopefully.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:Well good. I love to ask my guests this question. I kind of get to know you better. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received?
Daisy Khan (:You know, if you live long enough, you get a lot of advice from a lot of people. But if I had to explain one thing that I'm using today in my own work, I would say that if you want to shape the discourse, then write your own story. In other words, it reminds me of the fact that I have the
take control of my own narrative because I come from a marginalized community where my narrative is written by others. And so shaping the conversation and caring about the issues that I care about, I feel like I have to be at the forefront of writing my own plot, my own story and my own narrative.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:That's so critical because you're right, if you come from a background where people have to write your story for you or even change your story, you want to make sure that you're the one defining what the story is, right?
Daisy Khan (:Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:I'm always curious, you've had a very storied career and a lot of awards and accolades, but who were some people along your journey who served as an inspiration for you or a mentor?
Daisy Khan (:Yeah, you know, this is a question that I often get from people because this is the one question that social activists always get asked, like, who's your role model? Right. I have to say that I've been very fortunate because most of the role models have been family members. So my grandfather was an engineer, but a man of absolute justice. When I was a little girl, when I was born, in fact, when I was born, I was born a third daughter in a culture where
Girls were not prized as much as boys were. And so I was kind of left to the side to fend for myself. Well, we'll see. And then he came home and he found out that no one was celebrating and he got so angry and he ran up and picked me up in my birthday suit and declared to everybody that I was a gift of God and I would be treated like everyone else in this household. So that is...
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Daisy Khan (:the kind of stuff that I grew up watching and emulating, the people in my own family. So I saw my grandmother who was a saintly woman and she showed me how, you know, and she didn't have any title, she didn't have any robes, no nothing, but yet people came to her for spiritual advice. She was a teacher and she prayed all the time.
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Daisy Khan (:And from her, learned at a very young age that women can be spiritual teachers in their own way. And my mother, always the first one to make men's with the enemy is the seat of compassion. And to this day, you know, I tend to, you know, always I think of my mother every time I'm up against an enemy and my mother will tell me, you know, be compassionate, find something good in them.
So all of these people have shaped my life, you know, and they are, I am a composite of all of them.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:What a great set of witnesses you had in your life. What a blessing that must have been.
Daisy Khan (:Yes.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:So tell us a little bit more about your journey. What inspired you to find the Women's Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equality?
Daisy Khan (:Well, so that too, you know, happened not by design, but by literally the sheer unfolding of 9-11. You know, up until 9-11, I was an architectural designer and I was a career woman. And then 9-11 happened. And the image of Muslim women got shaped into the consciousness of Americans. They began to see images of Taliban.
whipping women or stoning women and these horrendous images of women. And I remember around that time, although I was a career woman, I was married to an Imam and he was doing a lot of lecturing and you know, you're a reverend and you know nothing happens but by divine intervention. So there was this, I accidentally double booked him at a synagogue and a church.
And he looked at me and he said, we can't disappoint either. You go to the church, I'll go to the synagogue. And I had never really publicly spoken until that time. Like, you know, I was, I was doing some small time speaking, helping him out. And I walked into this little church. They were mostly senior citizens. It was in Princeton, New Jersey. And a woman asked me this very profound question about Muslim women and the treatment of women.
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Daisy Khan (:And of course, knowing my faith quite well, I explained to her that Islam had given rights to women in seventh century, the right to own property, the right to divorce, the right to have a career, like all the rights that we think of in modern terms. And then she looked at me and she said to me, she said, well, I believe you dear, but explain to me why women are being treated the way they're being treated in Afghanistan.
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Daisy Khan (:And of course I was very angry at my inability to do anything for Afghan women at that time. And so then she said to me that very profound question that only comes from God through another person. She said, nevermind dear, just tell me what you're doing about it. And that was it. I just knew that my community needed me more than corporate America. And within a year, that question really stayed in my mind.
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Daisy Khan (:And I kept thinking to myself, yeah, what am I doing about it? And if not me, then who? And so that led me to, I went to my husband and I said, I want to quit my corporate career and dedicate myself to community service. And when you'll be able to support me. And he said, if you're doing God's work, God will provide. And that was it. I never turned back.
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Daisy Khan (:And I'm so happy that I took this step because I've never regretted it because I'm in God's service and there's nothing more meaningful than that.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:So let's dig a little bit deeper into that, we don't, being in America, we don't always have connection to what's actually happening so far away. So what are some of the things that Afghan women were dealing with that you were trying to address for those who may not know the situation there?
Daisy Khan (:Yeah, so they were being denied an education. They were told that girls should not get educated. In fact, they're still being denied an education. Even today, all schools have been shut down. The girls are barred, primarily because the Taliban want to consolidate their power. they, by consolidating their power, they also want to make sure that they keep women indoors because women are are raising their voices. Women are very active.
You know, they are social mobilizers. Many women, Afghan women have gotten PhDs and are career women. So they want women to serve primarily in the role of being a mother. And they just don't see women doing a dual, like having a career and being a mother. So that's one thing that they're doing. The second thing they're doing is preventing women from having a career, which means
If you don't have financial independence, if you don't have a career, you don't have financial independence, you're dependent on a man. So that's another way that they want to control their population. And, you know, they were child brides, women were getting married at a very young age, like literally children being married off, human trafficking. So lots of social issues that are, have no place in Islam. They're un-Islamic practices.
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Daisy Khan (:And they have no, there's no basis in our scripture for these. So, so this is why I thought by starting wise women's Islamic initiative in spiritual inequality, which was a faith based movement, because in my community, if I have to create a change, I have to be able to speak to people in the language that they understand. I have to use the framework of faith. I have to cite scripture. I have to explain what Prophet Muhammad did and who he was and how he acted with women.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:So because women
Daisy Khan (:That's the only way I can change the belief systems of people.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:don't have the same power in Afghanistan had before America pulled out. How do you begin to change that culture now that things have kind of, in my opinion, I could be wrong, taken a step back? How do you now change that culture, begin to make inroads when the men are in charge and they're the ones who really have to honor the changes?
Daisy Khan (:Yeah, so the men that are in charge are not men who are evolved men. These are men with very limiting beliefs, like very narrow. They just like don't even look at scripture. If you put scripture in front of them, they just look at you like, are you giving me this? And in Islam, the scripture is the highest, highest, authoritative source of law. Like what God says in the Quran is what stands.
Everything else is commentary after that. So that's why we always citing scripture. so today, you know, it's ironic that we were in the United States was there for more than a couple of decades and we made a lot of progress. There were a lot of schools built, a lot of women got educated. Like I said, you know, we had more member.
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Daisy Khan (:or members of parliament in Afghan parliament, then in the US Congress at one time, we had 5,000 women who were police officers because we wanted women to police women, not men to police women. All of that's gone. All those women are not working now. They have been, there's a clamp down on them, their careers. So what are you supposed to do in a culture where majority and many women are widows? Because you know, you had war and you had a lot of men who died in these wars.
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Daisy Khan (:And now you have women who are primary bread, you know, they are the ones who are bringing the money in. And so it's a really grim situation, but I am actually working right now in Afghanistan, training women online to educate them about their rights, because only they can fight for their rights. None of us can do it from abroad because everything, we're all being shut out of Afghanistan.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:So I've heard a lot about part of the conflict is the Islamic faith versus Sharia law. What is Sharia law playing the issues that women are dealing with in a place like Afghanistan?
Daisy Khan (:Yeah, so Sharia law is actually drawn out of our scripture. So Sharia law is not separate from scripture. So it's basically, you know, scholars attempt to look at what's in the Quran and determine what is the objective of the scripture, like what is the scripture trying to teach us. So Sharia law has been defined as having six objectives. Objective number one is to
Protect and promote, it's calling protecting promoting. So both simultaneously, one you protect, but you also promote. So protecting and promoting life, meaning you can't take another human being's life away from them. It's just not, it's something that only God can take a life, unless it's by due process. Like if you kill somebody and then in some cases that's permissible, but only when you have, when you are,
going through the legal system. Second is protecting and promoting family, meaning you have a right to get married, you have a right to have children, you have a right to have a family. And third is religion, protecting and promoting religious, which means religious freedom. And this is one of the arguments that we also use in Afghanistan is because by clamping down women, you're curbing their religious freedom. They can't go to a mosque, they can't celebrate holidays publicly.
They can't engage in charity. They can't do all the things that are part of our pillars. The sixth is protecting and promoting your intellect, meaning you have a right to education. You have a right to further your mind or to expand your mind or to seek more knowledge. the fifth is protecting and promoting your wealth, meaning
You have the right to own property, buy property, and the sixth is protecting and promoting your dignity. So dignity is God given by the state, and so you can't strip somebody's dignity. So these six objectives are objectives that are for every human being, not just for Muslims. It's for men, women, and all children of Adam and Eve. So they apply to everyone.
Daisy Khan (:And so underneath these six objectives are certain laws or certain protections. So that's what I describe in my new book, this book that I published, 30 Rights of Muslim Women. And in this book, I organized the rights of Muslim women in accordance with Sharia because what's happened in the U.S. is we have Sharia law has been reported in the press to mean a harsh
penal code punishments, Like stonings and cutting off of hands and that only happens in a handful of nations. And really does not happen. There are 57 Muslim majority nations. And so you have a couple of nations that apply them once in a while. It's not, it's not, it's like, it would be like saying that, you know, we have capital punishment in one state. And so therefore there's capital punishment all over America or
if you're death by injection, and then we would be so mortified and people would say, my God, they killed people in America by injection. So this is how ridiculous it is. It's not about penal codes and punishments. Sharia also include your right to practice, to pray, to fast, to give charity. So there's a confusion in the minds of Americans that Sharia means only this. It does not.
mean penal code punishments. Punishments are there for theft, for adultery, for all the cardinal sins basically. they can be very, the punishments can be harsh. The punishments that used to happen in 7th century Arabia, because that was the only way to punish people in those days. Or they can be very compassionate and forgiving. If a person has killed somebody, you can say, okay, you have to pay their family.
because you've taken over the source of income and the only livelihood. So then there's compensation. And so that's one way to do it. Another way is to just kill that person and then nobody gains from that. this is one of the things that I do through my book, not only with the American public, but also with Muslims themselves, because sometimes even Muslims don't know this.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:Well, that's very helpful. I'm curious, as you're an activist and for women, what are some misconceptions? We just talked about a couple of those. When it comes to women's rights and Muslim women's rights in America, how do you help people understand what is going on globally with women's rights and even here in Marine America?
Daisy Khan (:Yeah, yeah. Well, I think that some of the misconceptions that seeped into the consciousness of Americans have to do with what's happening abroad, right? It's mostly coming from certain events that are taking place. So for instance, in the very, if you are old enough to remember 1979, there was something called the Iranian Revolution. And during the Iranian Revolution, you had women wearing these chathers, these black chathers, and they were chanting death to America.
So in the minds of the consciousness of Americans, all Americans think that Muslim women are supposed to wear a black shroud and a burka or a hijab and is seen, it's associated with something that is negative, something that is threatening, something that is part of violence or call for violence or something like that. And that has seeped into the consciousness of Americans. So if you see a woman who's covered and people cover,
because they are instructed in the Quran to be modest. so modesty is defined by people. Once you go into scripture, you see how much of myself should I cover? That is up for debate. Many people have debated that topic. But generally speaking now, lot of women are choosing to cover themselves because they don't want to be objectified sexually. This is like their way of asserting their faith. They're saying, I want to be covered. I want to be known for my brain, not for my body.
So they're choosing to cover and somehow this covering is now connected to something that is negative, regressive, backwardness. And that's one of the tropes of Islamophobia that has taken root, unfortunately, in America. Of course, there are many others. We can't go through all of them. I'm giving you little nuggets because I know that you want to ask many questions.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:Sure.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:No, this is very helpful. I am curious because we're all seeing here in America the conflict in the Middle East. And I just had a guest on my podcast who was Jewish. So I love your perspective of the situation because I think it may give us some context as we try to in America figure out what we can do to maybe help and bring peace to the area.
Daisy Khan (:Yeah. Well, first of all, it's the Holy Land and we should all be worried about that, right? It's our Holy Land. It's the birthplace of Jesus. It's the second holiest place in Islam. You know, the first holy places are in Mecca and Medina. know, Mecca being the cubicle structure, what we call the Kaaba that we succumbulate every year when we go for annual pilgrimage. The second is the Prophet's Mosque.
We visit him because he's buried there. And the third is Jerusalem, where Prophet ascended up to the heavens and met with God. So that's the only kind of miracle that he had. So this place is central to all of our three faiths, right? And sometimes I think maybe God has a sense of humor, like the smallest piece of real estate that testing all of us to see how we're going to behave.
so that's one thing. I'm not sure why, all of our Abrahamic religions and the leaders and the, and the, you know, the, the, the people who are, religious leaders have not stepped into the fray. You know, I'm, I'm very shocked by that. because, because even the Christians are being decimated. I mean, you know,
Their numbers are dwindling. They've left. They're scared. But then, primarily, this conflict is about land. It's not about religion. And I do a lot of Jewish-Muslim dialogue and Jewish-Muslim engagement. And we know that it has to be solved diplomatically, and it has to be solved through negotiations. And that's why I believe that if our three faiths came together,
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Daisy Khan (:and try to resolve this conflict in a sober manner because we do want to protect our holy sites, but also we want to stop the oppression and the subjugation of another people, of the Palestinian people. They are a subjugated people. And in this day and age, we don't accept subjugation at all. This is something that we think of in the past, right? And many people who have experienced it have...
moved away from it and know the long-term consequences of subjugation and oppression. is, you know, cycle, not only psychological, but economically and physically, it takes a real toll, generational toll. And so this has to be stopped one way or the other. has to be stopped because it's not sustainable for anybody. It's not even sustainable for Israel. They think it's sustainable because the people in power think it's sustainable for them because it's sustaining them.
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Daisy Khan (:And we all know that these wars are really waged by a handful of people who are committed to waging the war of committing to meeting a political objective. And then war then becomes that tool to reach that objective. And so what is the objective here? You cannot X out 7 million people out of their territory. You cannot, not in this day and age. They have no place to go. And as you have already seen, if the plan was to
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Daisy Khan (:the people from this territory, they have not gone. Because the Palestinians refuse to go. And I think that maybe that may have been one of the things that was a miscalculation. There was an assumption that if you drive them out, that they will leave. And they haven't left. They're not going anywhere. And I know Palestinians, I know many Palestinians, and they're not going anywhere. The ones that could are in diaspora. They've already left. But these people are not going anywhere.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:Right.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:Well, it's always a complicated thing and I appreciate people who are trying to speak peace into this situation. You know, one of the things I admired about your bio was that you have a role to work with interfaith collaborations to bring about understanding.
and conversations. Tell me how that's going. I'm just curious because we live in such divided times and we have our camps that we run to and we don't often integrate well or converse well. So how is that going for you?
Daisy Khan (:Haha.
Daisy Khan (:Yeah. Well, you know, first of all, where I, where I was born, I was born in Kashmir, which is in the foothills of the Himalayas in Northern India. And, I was born into a Muslim home, but I was sent to a Christian missionary school for, for 12 years. I did the Lord's prayer every morning. So I'm a Muslim that grew up doing the Lord's prayer and, you know, was taught by Irish nuns.
And so my teachers were Hindu. My friends were Sikhs. And, you know, we met with the Buddhists. then when I came to America, I landed a Jewish neighborhood. So my whole life has been shaped by religious pluralism and seeing the diversity of religions, but in a very positive light in the sense that
You know, we were Muslim kids who were celebrating Christmas because the nuns didn't have anybody who could celebrate Christmas with them. So we were doing the Christmas carols with them. And we would, you know, exchange gifts with our Hindu friends at the time when it was their holiday. They would send us cakes for at Ramadan and Eid. This was the way. It was a way of like honoring and respecting one another.
So when I came to America and I landed in a Jewish neighborhood, I was like, where are the Christmas trees? I couldn't see a Christmas tree because I thought I had landed in a Christian country, but I was in a primarily Jewish neighborhood. So that was a shock to me. And then when 9-11 happened, I felt very equipped. I was naturally equipped to reach across the aisle and say, okay, we can all get along.
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Daisy Khan (:immediately became a bridge builder, which is your show. I was one of the early ones who said, let's build bridges between faiths. And the faiths were my natural people that I reached out to because those are the people that I knew and I respected them. And I didn't want to see religious conflict deepen between my community and other faith communities. So I reached out to
my friend in the Methodist Church and then a Jewish woman and three women, we came together and we produced a beautiful theatrical production called Same Difference. And we interviewed people on the streets and we said we wanted to get people's perceptions of the other. So we collected these perceptions that people had about Christians, Muslims, I'm talking raw, raw perceptions. And we did this theatrical production where we were able to use the license of art.
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Daisy Khan (:to say the things that we normally couldn't say to one another. And then we had a panel discussion about it and it was a 16 week, very successful show that was sold out for 16 weeks. So, you know, then after that we got together and we wanted to break bread together. So we looked at our scriptures and we said, what do our scriptures say about bread? And we created a bread fest where we did the Eucharist and...
You know, we had 16 organizations that came together. So this early building bridges and collaboration between faiths has really served us well to this day because these early relationships that we formed then got expanded to more and more. And today, you know, we can galvanize hundreds of faith organizations together for any given issue. So when one gets attacked, we all circle the wagons around each other. But
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Daisy Khan (:You know, it has its limitations. It does have its limitations and we're seeing that in the case of Israel and Palestine and the war in Palestine and the death and destruction in Israel. We can see two competing narratives and it's very hard for all the faith communities to come together because they are pulled in different directions. And so I do say there's a lot that interfaith can do.
but it does have its limitations. And people who are bold have to step into the arena and say, there is a better way. And that is the better way. And a third way that we have defined because the current way is not working.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:That's very good. That's very helpful. You have another book you wrote too called Born with Wings. Tell us about what
What inspired you to share that story?
Daisy Khan (:Well, you know, actually I wanted to, because I was trying to change perceptions about Muslim women and I was researching who these amazing Muslim women were and I found this like amazing repository of civilizational heroes that were not even known by me and I wanted to share them to the rest of the world. So I went to a publisher and I said, actually an agent and I told them that I had this idea that I wanted to do a
coffee table, beautiful glossy book with photos and everything of all these women. And I wanted every person to have this coffee table book. And they said, well, nobody, nobody publishes coffee table books anymore. You know, those kinds of books are like in the past. And then they looked at me and they said, have you written your own book? I said, well, why would anybody want to read my book? They said, well, we would. And so.
It really, I was not planning to write the book. It was at somebody else's suggestion because they thought it was interesting to see a woman trajectory change, like having this circuitous journey to the path of assuming a leadership in a community that usually you did not see women in a leadership role. So I wrote the book to trace my own journey, to see how I came to this, what inspired me.
What are those moments of divine inspiration where I felt I was being charged with something more than I had, you know, more than I had ever imagined for myself? And how do you assume this mandate and how do you accept it and how do you honor it? And then how do you rise, you know, with this, doing this work?
So it's my story, but it's also, it has many lessons in it for others who might be traversing this journey. Because I also went through a phase of doubt and a little bit of disbelief. So I also show that people, hey people, you can lose your faith and you can sever your relationship with God. And yes, you can come back. So it's redemption. It's got a lot of things that...
Daisy Khan (:people will see different things in it.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:know how neat. I'm curious, as you think about your journey and where God has led you and where you're moving forward, what do you want your legacy to be when it concerns Muslim women's rights?
Daisy Khan (:Yeah. You know, I think that, my stage just keeps enlarging and I'm always shocked at how much it's enlarging. And I'm so grateful to God because I'm always in. In communication with God and I'm always saying, okay, my Lord, I'm here. What do want me to do next? And I feel like this.
Mandate keeps getting thrust upon me every step of the way as I'm going. But what I show to people is that Islam empowers women to express their faith. And they have been luminary women who have uplifted our communities and shaped our destinies.
Many women in our scriptures have rescued prophets and I'm not talking just the Islamic scripture and talking all of our scriptures the Abrahamic faiths, they rescued prophets. They were martyrs. They acted, they taught, they issued decrees, they advised teachers, they debated as equals, they cured the ill and many even fought in battles like alongside men. And this is the story I want to convey to people.
is that God has honored women and has always made a woman a co-steward with men in many cases. You could see a prophet and there's always a woman. She's playing a key role in some way or the other. And so, yeah, we are not a second thought. We are created with a huge purpose to bring life into this world because without women, there would be no life.
And once you have no life, you have no family, you have no community, you have no society, you have no civilization. So, you know, this is why the prophets said paradise lies at the feet of the mother. In other words, the mother is so important and must be honored for not only being your mother, but also the role that a mother usually plays. So I'm lifting women up to think of themselves differently.
Daisy Khan (:not to think of yourself as a second thought, but really to see everything from God's point of view. So in my book, I show how God is so kind to women through the scripture, always sending new verses, always elevating women, always listening to women's dialogue, even saying, I have heard her plea, you know? So there are all these beautiful verses that came down as a result of women questioning the prophet.
Like why does God only speak to men address men in the verse, you know, in one of the verses and then the prophet didn't have an answer. And the most beautiful verse came down that talks about men and women, charitable men and women, arms giving men and women, women who guard their modesty, women who men and women who do good, always pairing the man with the woman. this is our reality. yet.
Many women are suffering in many parts of the world, and it's primarily because of men's limiting beliefs, not because of scripture.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:I love that. Where can people find your books, especially your new book, 30 Rights of Muslim Women and Born with Wings?
Daisy Khan (:So 30 Wives of Muslim Women is available on Walmart and all the bookstores and Amazon. It's also on Kindle. So the name is Daisy Khan, K-H-A-N, but it's not an audio book. It's just a soft cover book because I wanted people to be able to carry it easily. And Born with Wings is available on Amazon. And I don't know if it's on bookstores because it's an older book. And it's an audio book.
A friend of mine who's a devout Christian said that she loves cooking. She has so many children. She's like, I'm so busy. She, she, she heard my book while she was doing all her kitchen duties. so if you're a podcaster or you like listening to books, you will find 30 writes and it's in my voice.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:that's cool. Where can people connect with you on social media if they want to learn more about you?
Daisy Khan (:Social media so Daisy Khan on Facebook, just my name. Daisy Khan and dot NYC on Instagram Doctor Daisy Khan on LinkedIn and of course people can send me an email at info at daisycon.com. And then my website, my personal website is daisycon.com. So it's mostly my name. I'm very Googleable.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:or doctor.
So if you look up Daisy County, you should be able to find you.
Daisy Khan (:Yeah, you should be able to find tons of stuff on me.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:Well, thank you for having this conversation with me, giving us some more insights about the Muslim women that we may be at misunderstandings about and the work that you do. We thank you for what you do to raise awareness to how important women are in our lives and how important you are in society. So we appreciate the work that you do.
Daisy Khan (:Thank you so much Dr. Keith and I love being here with you and your audience and it's a pleasure being here. And this is the kind of conversations I love having. Yeah, great. Thank you so much. Much appreciated. Bye bye.
Host: Rev. Dr. Keith Haney (:I agree. Well, blessings on the work you do.
